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Jul. 2nd, 2012 10:21 am
sabotabby: raccoon anarchy symbol (she)
[personal profile] sabotabby
Oh, Mexico. I don't see how this could possibly go badly, do you?

What I don't get, despite having spent time in Mexico and studying Latin American history, is how a populace that is overall much more politically astute than ours can basically go back to electing dictators. Even with widespread electoral fraud, it seems bizarre.

Date: 2012-07-02 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistersmearcase.livejournal.com
Without understanding the history much, the sense I got from the New Yorker article on the (now) president elect was that it just didn't matter that much which party came to power--it was just a matter of whether they were likely to be more beholden to the Zetas or to Sinaloa. But again, I know very little about the whole thing.

Date: 2012-07-02 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelid.livejournal.com
Why did we (US) re-elect Bush? The only way I can explain things like that is that a lot of people are really fucking stupid. Average intelligence is pretty low, and half of everyone is even below that.

Date: 2012-07-02 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyelid.livejournal.com
I doubt it. People are people wherever they are.
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Date: 2012-07-02 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] symbioid.livejournal.com
Yeah I thought he came out quite a while ago (I mean, in internet years)? That's why I'm confused by all the hubbub.

Date: 2012-07-02 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
There is a happier less "people are stupid" way to look at it.

The total turn-out of eligible voters in 2004 was 60%, lower in most states. A full 1% of that turnout did not vote for president on the ballot. Bush won by between 50.2% and 50.7%.

This means Bush's margin of victory was less than the percentage of voters who skipped the ballot question. Far more voters didn't vote at all than elected the president.

Due to the electoral college system and winner takes all policy in most states, there was an illusion of a major victory, but in reality only 30% or so of the eligible voters (which is less than the total voting age population) picked the guy.

The reasons people don't vote are varied including holding elections on a work day. There was also crap weather in many states, which impacts results to a depressing degree.
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Date: 2012-07-02 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dobrovolets.livejournal.com
There's an odd bifurcation that has become a nearly world-wide phenomenon, wherein radicals come to be seen by a good swathe of the populace as worthy of trust, good people to turn to if you want someone to organize a street protest, or serve as a union militant, or in extreme cases pull together some kind of neighborhood assembly or factory occupation, but are not seen as capable of governing a country. Which shows the good sense of the masses--sometimes us lefties can barely organize ourselves out of bed--but also their cynicism about what the role of state is or could be.

The result being that even in a country where the average beverage company worker or street vendor has a more than passing familiarity with Marxist theory, a crook can get elected without voter fraud on an epic scale.

This is one of (many) problems with the international far left. I have a list, but every time I start to write it down, I get cripplingly depressed.

Date: 2012-07-02 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
Hold on: the PRI got 38% of a vote which was influenced by fraud, coercion, obstruction and despair and desperation about the murder rate. Just over 1/3 (maybe less) picked a PRI candidate who is married to a popular celebrity while one of the other candidates has been depicted in the media as a sore loser.

As some of that third enjoyed benefits under the PRI before, a marginal win is depressing but not entirely unexpected. Yet there is hope, as in many of these races, that the margins are so tiny given the triumphalism and massive resources of the victors.

Date: 2012-07-03 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mendaciloquent.livejournal.com
Maybe they think the PRI thugs, who only a few years ago were shooting at teachers, can stabilize the situation with the cartels and make the country more peaceful. If they do, they are fools.

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