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 or, Against the Romanticization of Artistic Poverty.

Quick, what do the following bands have in common?

The Clash
Crass
Gang of Four
The Mekons
X-Ray Spex

If you answered, "Sabs is really into them," or "they're all seminal British punk bands," you'd be correct. But the answers I was going for is that:

1) They all had at least one member who had some sort of post-secondary arts education, and
2) They all formed before Margaret Thatcher's 1979 election, not as a response to it.

One of the things I hear every now and then is that, well, at least we'll have good punk music. The association of loud, angry, political punk music with grim Thatcherite England is obvious, and maybe I've been guilty of that sort of aesthetic Stalinism, believing that as the socio-economic climate grows increasingly bleak, the arts will respond with an explosion of outraged creativity.

Except that this is not how art actually works. Sure, a significant chunk of punk grew out of poverty and squats, led by disaffected dropouts, but this is not the whole story. Art rarely emerges from despair alone. Historically, artists had wealthy patrons, and the image of the noble artist starving to death in a garret is very much a modern notion, presumably invented by capitalists to justify slashing public funding to artists.

I mean, it makes sense. To have the freedom to create, you need to have basic material needs met. That's not to say that artists are inherently wealthy, comfortable people, or happy. But just as it is ridiculous to assume that social change emerges from abject misery—it generally comes from relative, not absolute deprivation, see also the American white working class—it is silly to think that just because things are more depressing out there, a wellspring of cultural innovation will magically emerge to combat it. That shit needs funding, and guess what one of the first things to go is when the hard-right takes power.

So no, we are probably not going to get good punk music again. Sorry about that.

Date: 2017-01-14 04:25 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
BUT AMANDA PALMER TOLD ME IT WOULD BE LIKE WEIMAR GERMANY AND I'D MEET BERTOLT BRECHT

Date: 2017-01-14 04:33 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
BUT SABS AMANDA PALMER TOLD ME MUSIC IS LOVE AND LOVE IS FREE AND MUSIC IS FREE AND ALL I HAVE TO DO TO GET PAID IS ASK. WELL, NOT ASK HER, SHE WILL PAY ME IN LOVE AND BEER. DO I WANT AMANDA PALMER'S LOVE AND BEER, SABS? COULD I BUY COMIC BOOKS WITH IT?


ps Wicked and Divine is cool

Date: 2017-01-14 04:36 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I THINK MY LANDLORD MIGHT WANT DINNER AND FLOWERS FIRST

Date: 2017-01-14 04:47 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I WONDER WHAT AMANDA PALMER WOULD DO IN THIS SITUATION

Date: 2017-01-14 09:58 am (UTC)
ironed_orchid: watercolour and pen style sketch of a brown tabby cat curl up with her head looking up at the viewer and her front paw stretched out on the left (Default)
From: [personal profile] ironed_orchid
ILU SO MUCH

So many cool people went to art school in the 60s 70s, when it was FREE and they paid you a stipend for attending.

Date: 2017-01-14 04:46 pm (UTC)
lapinlunaire: Greta Garbo holding a ukulele (Ukulele Garbo)
From: [personal profile] lapinlunaire
I don't know. I see the point you're making and I agree that the more people are struggling just to eat and have a roof over their heads, the less likely they're going to be able to dedicate time making art. And I definitely don't think it's a magical process where people's despair suddenly turns into this type of phenomenon.

On the other hand, I think there's already an outburst of enraged, powerful creativity going on. It's just that it's not "traditional" punk because as sorry as I am to say it, rock in general feels pretty stagnant. And it's not really the main genre that young people listen to when they're trying to focus on current issues, except for the relatively obscure punk scenes.

For example, Moor Mother's Fetish Bones blew my mind last year. It's full of that punk sort of outrage and creativity, and she does cite punk bands as some of her influences, but it's not "traditional" punk and I suspect more than one white older guy (the kind who likes to be pedantic about these things) wouldn't categorise it as such.

Sorry for the tl;dr.

Date: 2017-01-14 05:53 pm (UTC)
lapinlunaire: (Die Asta)
From: [personal profile] lapinlunaire
I agree with this 110%.

Date: 2017-01-15 07:08 pm (UTC)
lapinlunaire: (Die Asta)
From: [personal profile] lapinlunaire
Yeah, basically. And as much as I appreciate Weimar Germany, it could often be a pretty fucked up place, so it's not even like literally everyone had the conditions to make great art. Most artists at the time also had relatively stable lives compared to many of their contemporaries.

Date: 2017-01-14 05:54 pm (UTC)
lapinlunaire: (I wish I was Marlene Dietrich)
From: [personal profile] lapinlunaire
I'm glad you like it! It's amazing.

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