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I made the mistake at lunch today of reading comments on the Torontoist and the Star to articles about the continuous Tamil protests in front of the U.S. Consulate. Now, granted, blog comments and online newspaper comments are not a good barometer of public opinion, because I will give up all hope if the average IQ of Hogtowners is that low. But it's a dismaying read nevertheless.

The worst comments are the ones that claim that the Tamil community, by inconveniencing a few commuters, has lost the goodwill of the "Canadian" (read white) population. This is bollocks. Most white Canadians had never heard of the Tamil struggle before the protests started, and probably couldn't find Sri Lanka on a map even now. But the consensus seems to be that the genocide currently being perpetrated by the Sinhalese government has nothing to do with "us." I kind of want to go all Godwin on their asses and ask them if they'd have objected to Jews protesting Nazi atrocities in the 1930s, but I'm a bit afraid of what the answer would be.

At any rate, the unaffected "us" does not include my white Canadian ass. Greater principles of universal human rights aside, I know people whose families are under fire right now. It's as personal as it would be if it were happening in Brampton or Calgary or somewhere else where I don't actually know anyone directly but I know someone who knows someone. I don't understand the hatred and apathy in my city, I really don't.

Which brings me to [livejournal.com profile] springheel_jack making a good point as usual about the swine flu and what's likely to happen when it's all over. Many, many people will die; just nobody you know.

Damn.

Date: 2009-04-30 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
I wouldn't be so keen to portray the LTTE as some kind of liberation organisation. I'm not going to defend the government of Sri Lanka but I wouldn't waste one nanosecond of sympathy on the LTTE either. We are talking about an organisation that has been running a Khmer Rouge style reign of terror in the areas they control for a couple of decades besides running vicious protection rackets among the Tamil community in Toronto and elsewhere. We are talking people who take twelve year olds from their families and force them to fight in the front line. Yes, it's personal for me too. The (Tamil) mother of one of my friends was murdered by the LTTE for calling them on their crimes against ordinary Tamils.

I want peace in Sri Lanka too but not at the price of leaving the gangsters in control.

Date: 2009-04-30 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com
Well, the noisy part of the Tamil community is pro LTTE. The price of being otherwise is high. Agreed about stopping the killing though killing doesn't seem to bother the LTTE much.

Date: 2009-04-30 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurnau.livejournal.com
Good point by Jack.

The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic (which is now thought to have originated as an avian flu strain) killed at least 50 million people, perhaps as many as 100 million. As near as I can figure (but I haven't looked hard) fewer than 1.5 million died in the English-speaking countries. Most of the deaths were in India and China.

Date: 2009-04-30 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltmurnau.livejournal.com
Lots of surprising things about the 1918 epidemic. One of them is that while the flu kills tens of thousands of people EVERY year across the world, most of them are very old or very young or have compromised immune systems. The 1918 pandemic (actually it was 1918-20, it came in three waves) was different in that practically everyone it killed was young and healthy - the disease provoked a savage autoimmune response called a cytokine storm, and with these the healthier your immune system is, the stronger the response is, to the point where their own bodies were damaged.

This flu was very contagious, very virulent and could kill within hours of someone starting to show symptoms (which sometimes included bleeding from orifices, making some people think the Black Plague had come back).

An epidemiologist friend of mine with a gift for writing history wrote an excellent article about the epidemic a while back; if I find it I will post it on my blog here.

Date: 2009-04-30 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovableatheist.livejournal.com
Comments in online forums and on talk radio about the Tamil protests here in Ottawa were unbelievable. It was all about Them vs. Us and how "we should do something about these people." I can't remember any event bringing out this much racism and xenophobia out of people. Hell, some people are still talking about how the Tamil community should foot the bill for the extra policing.

I can understand the frustration at main roads being blocked, but this is Ottawa and there are protests almost every two days, many of which block traffic. I remember a few years ago, farmers came down with their tractors and blocked the same street the Tamils blocked. Needless to say no one was calling for immigration to come check their status.

One thing that has surprised me though, is that apparently the chief of police has called out a lot of people on their racism, pointing out that people block streets all the time and no one has ever cared.

Date: 2009-05-01 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovableatheist.livejournal.com
Yeah. I guess stupid people live everywhere.

Date: 2009-05-01 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginny-t.livejournal.com
I think my favourite (read: most sporkity) was the guy who said protests shouldn't be allowed on weekdays. Nice.

Date: 2009-05-01 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] courtly.livejournal.com
I've always been baffled that protests *happen* on weekends. When, you know, the embassy under protest is basically closed.

Date: 2009-05-01 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apperception.livejournal.com
I wouldn't mind if it killed a few people I know.

Date: 2009-05-01 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threeliesforone.livejournal.com
I made the mistake of reading the comments on the Star page as well. I make that mistake often, though.

I had an early education on the Tamil genocide when I was 12 & a good friend of mine who'd recently came to Canada as a refugee showed me the bullet wound and dog bite scars on her legs that she got when the army tried to stop her and her brother from escaping. 12 year olds should not have bullet wounds. But, y'know, it's blocking University Ave during rush hour that's the real atrocity.

Date: 2009-05-01 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rohmie.livejournal.com
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Date: 2009-05-01 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queerasmoi.livejournal.com
I think what a small pandemic would likely demonstrate is the disparity in health care (both preventative and critical) not just between countries but between economic classes within the same country. I'm confident that the mortality rate for this virus will be overwhelmingly lower in certain countries just because people have the luxury of staying home for sick days, getting proper fluids and rest, going to a hospital if they need to.

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