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 [personal profile] ioplokon has started possibly the most niche meme of all time, wherein he reads Pierre Trudeau's Approaches to Politics (one of those books with very good chapter titles) and posts responses. If you want to read his educated responses, you can do so, but life is short so I am going to hold forth based on the chapter titles alone, knowing very little about the contents.

The first chapter is called Government by Mediocrities. And it is at least worth reading the excerpt.

My initial response was to go, yeah, that's what we have, actually, here in Canada, in contrast to the kakistocracy to the south. Even our fascists are kind of dorky. My shrink likes to say, "think of someone of average intelligence and remember that half of the population is below that." As a child, you think that the people in charge must be quite smart, to have gotten that far in life. Not good (even as a child, I wasn't that naïve!) but at least competent at putting their ideology into practice.

But Trudeau II demonstrates that they don't need to be smart, actually. He's a small, mediocre man. Have I been impressed by him lately? A little, surprisingly. He can give a good speech and he occasionally excels at stepping up when the country requires it. But his entire reign shows the gap between rhetoric and action; the convoluted, overly technical attempts to bend a system towards justice that is ultimately meant to do the opposite. Which is to say that 28 First Nations reservations are still under boil water advisories. We have made zero progress towards mitigating the climate crisis. We don't independently produce our own vaccines, leaving us vulnerable to the vagaries of US conspiracy theorists.

The more I think about it, though, the less I think the question of mediocrity in government matters. We could do with a little more mediocrity. If everyone running the show was just meh, we'd probably muddle on and mostly survive it. The problem is that most of our lives can be better said to be directed not by the state, but by our bosses, who have over us the power to decide if we are housed or not, fed or starving, and so on.

Capitalism and democracy are, at best, in tension, and more often than not, opposed. In recent decades we have seen the total victory of the former over the latter; the chances of meaningful electoral change are no greater than those of winning big at the casino, and the reason is the same, which is that the game is rigged. The idea of democracy, which is quite quaint and noble, involves the power to recall, to critique, and to sway. Most of us labour under the autocracy of the workplace, however; our leaders are unelected and govern without checks and balances. Increasingly, governments seem to agree that this autocracy is better, hence the outsourcing of what had once been the domain of the state to private interests.

And of course, most of those leaders are mediocre too. A complex mechanism like a civilization can't really be run by the best and brightest; those people tend to be quite alienating and unable to cope with logistics and organization.

This is why people get burned out on politics. This is why people are tired of all the elections even though it literally takes no effort to do the thing that most people do during elections. It doesn't make life better in a tangible way, because it's not addressing the pain points of daily life.

I don't know what the answer is, besides more fiery orators on the left (and how would we get the word out about them even if we had them, given that the social media environment is also rigged?). You certainly can't fight for mediocrity, the radical notion of living a quiet and ordinary life. To the extent that we can ever have that, it's because of hard and consistent struggle by the perpetually dissatisfied.

Date: 2025-03-08 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ndrosen
Socialism and democracy are also in tension.

Date: 2025-03-08 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
Spoilers! Trudeau gets into this a bit later (while also complaining about "a very beautiful women who is running around the salons of Montreal denouncing me as a Communist").

Date: 2025-03-08 10:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
Considering Australia's legislation that absolutely everyone must vote, I wonder if it makes a difference that is actually a difference. It seems their elected officials are in lock-step with the world move to populism, so?

Honestly? I think there are too many of us for any small-scale system to work.

Date: 2025-03-09 01:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dissectionist
The problem is that a lot of people are genuinely uninformed to shit. For example, one of my Jewish NDP friends was complaining about the number of other Jewish folks he knew at his synagogue who decided to vote for the only candidate in our riding whose name looked Jewish, even though she was Conservative and they usually vote Liberal. (The irony is that she has a Jewish name but is actually a right-wing Christian.)

So even if 100% of the population voted, and 60% voted for Leopards Party, it still wouldn’t mean 60% of people were voting for leopards to eat people’s faces. It would just mean that a lot of them probably scratched a mark next to whomever’s name resonated with them most. Considering a lot of folks are apathetic about politics since they think all politicians are the same, it wouldn’t mean anything to them which political party was listed next to a name.

Date: 2025-03-09 04:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
I'm going to ask you to explain this joke.

Because SURELY you're not stupid enough to do ballots in alphabetical order.

Date: 2025-03-09 07:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dissectionist
I don’t know if we always do them in alphabetical order, but I’ve 100% seen federal and provincial ballots that were done in alphabetical order.

Date: 2025-03-09 08:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
Okay. We need to send our best.
And our bingo/lotto machines.

Date: 2025-03-09 02:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
We had an election yesterday (state), and a federal one is due my May 17.

The thinking is that the "sensible centre" holds the line, we're far from having a cult of personality or fanatical party loyalty, and given how our senate is structured, you tend to have a splintering away from the majors to minor parties.

It works pretty well (mostly), all things considered, especially with ranked choice voting.

You can't do anything about low-information or single-issue voters, and populism will always attract a large swathe of voters, but at the moment we have a milquetoast PM and an opposition leader who has gained the sobriquet "Temu Trump".

But here's some good news: we had a shitstain of a candidate now called Austin "Aussie" Trump.
When I checked this morning he was on 0.0% of the vote with 70% counted.
He had two votes.
TWO.

Date: 2025-03-09 12:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] china_shop
The more I think about it, though, the less I think the question of mediocrity in government matters. We could do with a little more mediocrity. If everyone running the show was just meh, we'd probably muddle on and mostly survive it.

This reminds me of Utah Phillips' Candidacy.

Date: 2025-03-09 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] armiphlage
I do not have a statistically valid sample size, but I have had multiple in-depth one-on-one (or two-on-one) meetings of 30 minutes to an hour with two Deputy Premiers and one MPP at the provincial level, and one MP at the federal level.

The deputy premiers and MPP were scary-smart, immediately absorbing information and thinking of the consequences and externalities. I didn't always like their decisions, but they were based on facts, logic, and a ruthless consistency with their policies and strategic roadmap.

The MP (who had also worked at my company before going into politics) was friendly and attentive, like my dog Rosie, but about as good at absorbing information and formulating plans as Rosie. Rosie is currently upset that she cannot find the treat that she just buried in the blanket covering my feet.
From: [personal profile] blogcutter
If you spent your career in the federal public service as I did, the two were essentially one and the same - with a few nuances, of course (the ideal of the neutral bureaucrat, speaking truth to power, etc.)

I wasn't in a direct policy advisor role - as a librarian, my role was more to provide research assistance to those who were. And they came in two distinct categories: those who were overtly political, working for a minister who was also an elected MP; and the policy analyss who were unionized employees like me.

To survive there, you definitely have to learn to live with ambiguity and contradictions!

Anyway, this sounds like an interesting series you've started!

Date: 2025-03-09 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are..." - George Carlin usually gets the props for that one.

He can give a good speech and he occasionally excels at stepping up when the country requires it.

The line I see on Reddit is "No-Fucks-To-Give Trudeau is the best Trudeau".
Of course, it helps your southern neighbour has all-but declared war on you. You're always going to give even Doug Ford backing in that case, or at least the benefit of the doubt.

(and how would we get the word out about them even if we had them, given that the social media environment is also rigged?).

Grassroot movements can still work. But the machine is designed to weed out the disruptive elements, corrupt them when they get into power, and generates a mostly bland of politician because they have to please people in the party machine to get to the top.

And, if you're an independent, you're going to struggle to achieve anything in a two-party system.

Date: 2025-03-09 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
You have to give him the benefit! I said so!
And there I was under the impression you were Lil Miss Compliant! :P

Canada doesn't often make the news here, but the impression I get with Ford is surprise he's doing the right think. For now, at least.
If he's as Maple MAGA as is suggested, I'm sure he'll flip sooner or later.

Our Pols are just so meek these days. Publicly, at least. I am sure privately they have had thoughts. I just don't trust them to voice them when push comes to shove.

Unlike Europe, we don't have a lot of power at our back. Take away the US and we have... New Zealand and Papua New Guinea, Cook Islands, Samoa.... as natural regional allies.

Then you've got Indonesia et al. Not great. IIRC, their president is an ex-general who was an authoritarian under the old regime and may have been involved in massacres. (Indo is a bit of a basket case anyway, at the best of times).

Date: 2025-03-09 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yhlee
Yeah, and the perennial problem of democracy, by inherently requiring the involvement of multiple disparate cantankerous stakeholders, is also inherently less "efficient." (The "efficiency" might be in service of complete nightmare mode bullshit, but then there's no guarantee that legitimately democratically chosen and implemented policies are effective or moral either, can you guess I'm a USAn? I really hate that every time everyone tells me I'm too cynical and nihilistics, current events show that I wasn't cynical and nihilistic enough in my assessment.)

Date: 2025-03-10 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yhlee
I have catastrophizing problems :wry: but literally I've built a writing career on, basically, plots that go "so what is the most horrible way you could weaponize XYZ magic system/whatever to make the world horrible AND destroy the characters" (modulo what one is allowed to get away with in YA etc). :] And even then, reality outstrips my imagination, so...

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