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Let's go with It Could Happen Here's "The Canadian Election: NOTHING EVER HAPPENS," which is Canadian-born Gare's attempt to explain what just happened to ICHH's primarily American audience. It's nothing you don't know if you either live here or read my blog, but it's actually a useful reminder that the international media (including independent media) is framing our election very differently than we are. I don't really disagree with any of Gare's analysis, beyond that sometimes they screw up the names of political parties.

But you know. I've been going through a stressful time lately, and I'm often waking up sad and frustrated by my own wasted potential. And then I remember that Poilievre lost his own seat and it makes me happy for a good five minutes.

Date: 2025-05-02 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
And then I remember
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<i>And then I remember <hat Poilievre lost his own seat and it makes me happy for a good five minutes.</i>

I won't tell you not to wake up sad and frustrated*, but focus on the good.
He'll be ok.
Teck needs a director.

(*When I was a teen I was convinced how I woke up defined my day, but I was a teen. It did seem to hold true, but these days... I just regret waking).

Date: 2025-05-03 09:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
Is it different Carney getting a seat though?

Date: 2025-05-03 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
Carney came in from outside Par', which is my point.
I don't see a huge different when him and PP parachuting back in. That said, I am focused on my election.

Date: 2025-05-03 01:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greylock
People coming from outside parliament into leadership, or having someone fall away to give someone a seat is off here. Doesn't happen, and captain's picks rarely go well.

The BEST scenario would have been a minority Labor government with Greens/Inds holding the balance of power. But it could have been worse. The buffer could allow them to shrug off corporate power and go harder.

LOL. They won't do that.

Date: 2025-05-02 01:40 pm (UTC)
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I'm vaguely pleased at the schism vibes emerging in the CPC. It would be bonus points if the CPC split in two.

Date: 2025-05-02 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Yes, it would.

Date: 2025-05-02 02:59 pm (UTC)
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I’m puzzled by the idea that the international media is framing it differently. I just re-read articles from BBC, CNN, CBS, and ABC to see if I was misremembering, but no, they said the same thing as my understanding: this election was basically a referendum on Trump’s bullshit. We elected Carney because we didn’t want PP cozying up to Trump and selling out Canada.

Is my framing different than most Canadians?

Date: 2025-05-02 04:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
I think in Canada there is a sense that the center of power has shifted rightward due to Conservative gains + the collapse of the Greens+NDP (& to a lesser extent the Bloc, tho I think they're more likely to recover in subsequent elections). Basically, who's going to drag the Liberals to the left if they don't want to go themselves. Apparently they're already looking for Conservatives to defect & give them a majority rather than form a coalition w/ the NDP...

Date: 2025-05-02 04:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Which is idiotic to my brain. I need a centre-left coalition if I'm to remain safe enough.

Date: 2025-05-02 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
Yeah. I kind of get the logic in terms of wanting the party to be stronger for "stability", but I don't see how letting the foxes in the hen house does it. Surely the new converts would have the same leverage as the NDP?

Date: 2025-05-02 05:48 pm (UTC)
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Ah, so we’re talking about two different things. I was reading “framing our election” as being about why people voted the way they did, while it actually meant “discussing the balance of power afterward”. That makes a lot more sense to me.

I’d actually prefer for Cons to switch, because the NDP are going to be the NDP regardless, but if we can coax some of the Cons less rightward, that’s something changed. But that depends a lot on what the Liberals end up doing with their power.

Date: 2025-05-02 06:12 pm (UTC)
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I’d actually prefer for Cons to switch, because the NDP are going to be the NDP regardless, but if we can coax some of the Cons less rightward, that’s something changed. But that depends a lot on what the Liberals end up doing with their power.

Good point - and yeah, either way, depends on what the details are of the deal they make + what policies they go with. I do think, if nothing else, they do realize housing is an existential issue for them? (eta: I'm worried they don't realize that electoral reform is as well; otherwise you end up w/the UK where all parties struggle to get >30% of the vote, but one of them still wins everything...)
Edited Date: 2025-05-02 06:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2025-05-02 11:45 pm (UTC)
dissectionist: A digital artwork of a biomechanical horse, head and shoulder only. It’s done in shades of grey and black and there are alien-like spines and rib-like structures over its body. (Default)
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It’s so tough because housing isn’t a federal-level issue; it’s (somewhat) provincial and (mostly) municipal. But everyone blames the federal govt for everything even when they’re not the right target, so yeah, they have to do SOMETHING about housing somehow.

It’s like when people yell at the federal level for how provinces have decided to spend their healthcare dollars. Doug Ford withholding massive amounts of dollars intended for Covid relief wasn’t Trudeau’s fault; Trudeau’s government sent the money to the provinces and then Doug pulled a stunt, and Trudeau got blamed.

(Not that I’m a Trudeau fan, but I’d prefer people get attacked for the bullshit they actually do, such as invading sovereign Indigenous lands. Also when people at the top get blamed for mid-tier decisions, it allows shitlords at the mid-tier to escape responsibility.)

Date: 2025-05-03 12:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
I get what you mean about devolved powers but also at a certain point provinces do need to lean on municipalities blocking housing (TORONTO) and feds need to lean on the provinces. There are things they can do, which we are seeing but... I do wonder if it would have been politically viable to meddle earlier, before we were in a crisis...

Date: 2025-05-02 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dissectionist
LMAO, the guy got shown the door from his riding of two decades. What a stretch!

Date: 2025-05-02 03:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
Also the one bright spot in the UK elections is that the Tories under Badenoch fared even worse than Labour. Turns out you can't really capitalize on anti-incumbent sentiment when you are an unlikable, overly online weirdo. I think there's a good chance we can all work together to get PP out of politics, or at least Byrne.

Date: 2025-05-03 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ioplokon
Ugh he is coming back, but at least is rusticated to a riding in the middle of nowhere in Alberta (tho idk if Albertans want to do an independence movement, I wish they'd start their own party for it. What so they get from Smith and the Tories? I think they could do better, even for their value of better...)

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Date: 2025-05-02 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] grimjim
PP lost his official house along with his seat.

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